tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36527891.post2762837167755714026..comments2024-02-07T00:26:07.597-08:00Comments on Along The Way: NUCLEAR VIBRATIONS, REGS., $$$Joaredhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03155775053108104385noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36527891.post-46154837243767761942013-03-16T12:16:45.710-07:002013-03-16T12:16:45.710-07:00Years ago, I worked for a corporation with compani...Years ago, I worked for a corporation with companies in most states. Each company was regulated by a different state regulatory group. I noticed that the quality of regulator varied from state to state. I can only hope and pray your CA regulators are on the ball. Vibrations, leakage, fearsome topics indeed. Dianne<br /><br />PS Good to see your comments today, I was hoping you would make anotherschmidleysscribblins.wordpress.comhttp://schmidleysscribblins.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36527891.post-46196445383272920332013-03-16T06:58:53.387-07:002013-03-16T06:58:53.387-07:00Joared--Sorry that it wasn't clear that I was ...Joared--Sorry that it wasn't clear that I was writing "hypothetically", without reference to the Enron situation. I'm not saying that fines are bad, but that we should not be lulled into accepting assurances that companies/projects will be held to account just because they are subject to fines.<br />Cop CarAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36527891.post-40323915151329527872013-03-16T01:04:17.213-07:002013-03-16T01:04:17.213-07:00We are ahead of the curve where I live, on the Big...We are ahead of the curve where I live, on the Big Island of Hawaii. We generate 40% of our electricity from geothermal, solar and wind. Hattiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02621439195920479957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36527891.post-61556905726639367772013-03-16T01:01:22.994-07:002013-03-16T01:01:22.994-07:00No, this is the Hanford nuclear facility in Washin...No, this is the Hanford nuclear facility in Washington State. Friends from Washington were the ones who took the tour. <br />We do not have a nuclear plant here on the Big Island of Hawaii. There are no nuclear power plants in the state of Hawaii. On this island we are generating 40% of our own energy from renewable resources--geothermal, wind, and solar. The rest is gas-fired plants, I believe. Hattiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02621439195920479957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36527891.post-19392276654142745562013-03-15T14:23:03.769-07:002013-03-15T14:23:03.769-07:00I agree about fines, CC. The monies I referred to...I agree about fines, CC. The monies I referred to were efforts to have our State reimbursed for this theft of our funds. Whatever it might be called, fine, refund, reimbursement of excessive funds illegally gamed, as long as power users money was returned to the State of California, possibly distributed to individual households forced to pay those unjust high rates, I would have been partiallyjoaredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09999395062839739698noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36527891.post-50454376303391915472013-03-15T10:33:38.052-07:002013-03-15T10:33:38.052-07:00Sadly, people tend to think that such disasters ge...Sadly, people tend to think that such disasters get remediated and fines imposed; but, it's like executing a killer. Maybe it makes us feel better, and perhaps it prevents a portion of future damage; but, it doesn't bring back what was lost.<br />CCAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36527891.post-60821379479444544072013-03-15T10:30:57.207-07:002013-03-15T10:30:57.207-07:00Think of the years and years during which "w...Think of the years and years during which "we" have burned off natural gas in extracting oil from the ground. As I understand it, fracking is used (at least, in some cases) in extracting natural gas. Anything that we take out of the ground (including by growing crops) has a long-term impact.<br />Cop Car<br />P.S. I don't have a PhD in nuclear physics (I switched into engineering Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36527891.post-15616433611395188772013-03-15T10:24:11.902-07:002013-03-15T10:24:11.902-07:00So true, what you say. I should point out, however...So true, what you say. I should point out, however, that mathematical modeling of the real world is very, very......very difficult. One writes the equations (or uses a pre-packaged app to help do that), then must find a means of checking the results against real world results. I have torn my hair out more than once trying to model, correctly, a small <i>section</i> of an aircraft - let alone Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36527891.post-44188357429263649262013-03-14T17:17:38.142-07:002013-03-14T17:17:38.142-07:00I hope your friend is correct, Dick. Meanwhile we...I hope your friend is correct, Dick. Meanwhile we're concerned about how San Onofre energy generation is resolved. Electric power needs in So Cal are significant, especially in the summer. More homes are using solar panels on the roof but their installation cost needs to come down more before homeowners with electric bills below the current cost effectiveness level can afford them. joaredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09999395062839739698noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36527891.post-74552142439311668682013-03-14T14:28:05.239-07:002013-03-14T14:28:05.239-07:00A new friend of mine who is a nuclear physicist Ph...A new friend of mine who is a nuclear physicist PhD said he doubts we'll ever see another nuclear plant built in the U.S. (hooray!). He made a good case that it takes too long to recover construction costs and plants powered by natural gas are much more efficient and safer. We'll also probably see a huge increase in solar and wind power generation, and with government subsidies those Dick Kladehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11793395712483278104noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36527891.post-88012658891858270402013-03-14T13:19:51.524-07:002013-03-14T13:19:51.524-07:00Yes, Hattie, that's the big debate about using...Yes, Hattie, that's the big debate about using nuclear energy, I think. When safety concerns aren't the number one priority taking precedence over all other considerations in the installation and operation of these plants then I, too, reject having these nuclear energy plants. I wonder if the San Onofre's design change had been re-submitted for regulatory review if they would havejoaredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09999395062839739698noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36527891.post-16760734758692496932013-03-14T12:51:01.268-07:002013-03-14T12:51:01.268-07:00The term definitions you provide for "random...The term definitions you provide for "random" and "intermittent" give me a somewhat different understanding of them than what I had. Knowing the language with definition of terms in every specialty or business is always so critical. Thanks for your input. The fact engineers would or should have known the form, therefore with mathematical computation could predict the "joaredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09999395062839739698noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36527891.post-87947556935354399902013-03-14T12:25:55.892-07:002013-03-14T12:25:55.892-07:00Speaking as a layperson, I say that nuclear power ...Speaking as a layperson, I say that nuclear power is too dangerous for any engineering to render it safe. Any amount of radioactivity is dangerous, and we are being subjected to unknown amounts of it. And what about the waste generated?<br />Hanford is leaking radioactive contaminants. A friend of ours got a tour of this huge installation and said it was pretty clear how nervous the people who Hattiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13297404386730167834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36527891.post-63289528074731446072013-03-14T08:28:43.216-07:002013-03-14T08:28:43.216-07:00Joared--I assume that 99% of the population have n...Joared--I assume that 99% of the population have no reason to know the difference between "random" and "intermittent" vibrations, so I will clarify: "random" applies to the wave form while "intermittent" means that the vibrations occur at (perhaps) unpredictable intervals, but tells one nothing about the wave form. Known random vibrations can be accounted Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36527891.post-63865660140460513032013-03-13T13:59:03.621-07:002013-03-13T13:59:03.621-07:00Yes, they made alterations in the design associate...Yes, they made alterations in the design associated with the tubing. Following the ongoing investigation in this debacle, one issue had became a "What did they know and when did they know it?" These latest news reports began with a report leak resulting in this form of the report being released. Clearly responsible individuals needed to better apply what they would presumably have joaredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09999395062839739698noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36527891.post-39024806801813757202013-03-13T12:29:43.247-07:002013-03-13T12:29:43.247-07:00"...wear was determined to have been caused b..."...wear was determined to have been caused by random vibration...” <br /><br />Ah yes, Random Vibrations (or Stochastic Vibrations to the academics) was one of my favorite courses in grad school. Obviously, someone wasn't paying attention in the design or installation of the tubing.<br />Cop CarAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com